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Critiques. Both good and bad. It's part of our lives.

We spend a good amount of time everyday making decisions based on how we are perceived. At one point and time for all of us, we have experienced being picked on, being harassed...being hurt. We have also experienced joy, happiness and a good sense of well-being. It's a difficult road indeed to travel and it's very easy for any of us to critque. The hard part is, remembering who or what we are critiquing and forgetting to offer suggestions on how they think something should go - even if its their opinion.

Eat This Hot Show, this week, went down a road and started to critique another podcast (ArcherRadio), and yes...someone forgot to be constructive in the process. Again, it's something we all forget to do sometimes. It was very sad that they decided to openly stab at another podcaster. Now, it was one or two individuals that were primarily making the critique, but it was all of them that decided to add insult to injury by adding their own recorded laughs and sound-bytes. So in effect, all the hosts joined in on this one.

qPodder was started in the spirit of togetherness. At least..that's how I saw it. I saw this as a group of people, regardless of their current status in the podcasting world, to be a place where we can share ideas, help each other and be comfortable in a place where we can be gay, lesbian, trans, bi or queer friendly. It was a haven of sorts. It was nice to come in the front door and see a friendly face.

We all podcast for our own reasons. Some of us do it cuz its fun, some of us do it because it's a way of freely documenting our lives in verbal form and some of us do it purely for entertainment purposes. All kinds of reasons. Some of us have no radio backgrounds, some do, some of us have interesting things to say and some of us don't. And you know what...that's OK. Really it is. The diversity in programming is, and should be, as diverse as we are.

But I have to put my foot down when the founding members of this "house" have decided that they can deliver judgement the way they did this week. I luv the founders. They were the reasons I decided to podcast. They were the reasons why it was fun...

They inspire us, they teach us, they represent us.

Now... I have to "think" that the founders realize what they have done. We are all in this together. I'm not going to sit here and tell the founders what the next step is. They know what it is. They are intelligent, good people and I have to hope that they will touch on this subject in some way or another on their shows.

I will continue to be listeners to their shows and will continue to do my show, the way I do it. I stand with them in this house, like you, together and we WILL be OK. We will get past this.

So it's time for me to get off my soapbox now. Let me end this posting on this note:

We all end our podcasts asking for people to offer feedback on our shows, both good and bad...well I say...bring it, but bring it with style...

Thanks for letting me step up to the mic.

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Submitted by marcfelion on Fri, 2005-08-12 12:57.

I'm not going to comment on the Archerradio critique. It was a critique. That's what it was. People can listen to it and they can agree with it or not. It's their choice.

I will comment on is your use of Madge Weinstein's Yeastradio interview with the filmmaker Usama Alshaibi and his poor experience with Fausto. I wish I had heard the whole interview with Usama when it was first podcasted on Yeastradio (I did listen to part of it, but Imissed the Fausto reference). I'm sorry for that. I would have very much liked to have continued the discussion of women's role in the
Middle East and corrected any misunderstandings on the part of Usama as to our intent.

I'm glad Usama was able to use us as an example. I don't think he was being mean, I think he was being insightful. i hope his copmments further our understanding.

As a writer for The Feast Of Fools' "A Taste of Milk and Honey," which depicted Fausto falling in love with a radical Muslim who wanted to blow up the world (well kind of), I helped develop the characters and the plot.

During the development of the show, Fausto purchased costumes for the female roles. He came home with Hajibs (sp?) saying "I couldn't get Burkas so these will have to do. We'll have to get scarves that match to make them look more like burkas." Who the hell is going to import burkas from Afghanistan on our budget?

During the writing of the show, which happened right after 9/11 and during the Invasion of Afghanistan, the writers (Fausto Fernos, Marc Felion, and Michael Oliphant) discussed among other things: My Palestinian friend's mother who went, by choice, from miniskirt and western clothing to traditional garb after the Israeli invasion of her
homeland; the donning, by choice, of veil's in Iran by revolutionary women opposed to the corrupt U.S. backed Shah of Iran; and the sensibility of wearing veils by both men and women in an environment where the sun is harsh and brutal. We were not ignorant of the role the veil has in the Middle East.

When we had the women throw off their veils, we meant it more like a "Mary Tyler Moore Moment" than anything else. At the begining of the Mary Tyler Moore Show she throws her hat into the air as the singer sings "You're going to make it after all." It was, to us, a statement of personal liberation. Perhaps Usama and the rest of the Middle East should familiarize themselves with American TV. culture so they can
get the reference before they get their panties in a grind. Naw forget it, they are better off without TV. TV sucks! Was Usama offended by it? I don't know. Would members of his family be offended? Most Likely. Would Usama's family be likely members of the audience? I don't think so. Did we know this show would be offensive? Of course, it's The Feast of Fools.

I do know that Usama approached Fausto about his concern right after the show. Perhaps Fausto did not give Usama his full attention. But, please understand, it is very difficult putting on a live show. We are up for days with little sleep and the aftermath is quite overwhelming. The cleanup, the money, the pictures, the interchange with people,
dealing with the cast ...etc. It's a lot of work. Any of you who do live theater know what I am talking about. I'm guessing that it's easier for a filmmaker to discuss his/her work after a showing of his/her work because the adrenalin rush just isn't the same. They are often separated by weeks or months from the actual work that is produced. This gives them an analytical edge that a live performer does not have, especially when it is only one show, like The Feast Of Fools.

Lastly, I want to say that it is comedy and that it is not to be taken seriously. I mean after all, one of our central characters was a genie that was turned into a leprechaun by a re-animated greedy hillbilly drag diva. The genie ended up going to Baghdad to open up a gay bar! That's the kind of stuff we like to do. And we will continue doing it.
We will keep you informed of our next live show, which will probably be our Faerie Merrie XXX-MAS show.

Submitted by DailyHough on Fri, 2005-08-12 17:19.

I thought it may be appropriate at this point to clear up some confusion I have heard on at least one podcast today. The objection felt was originally expressed in e-mail form directly to Fausto. I've attached the e-mail here to be clear that it was Fausto that suggested that we take this topic public to see if there was support from other podcasters and fans. Never was it my intention or action to make this a public brawl, although it is interesting that certain people are calling it infighting despite a nearly unanimous vote that Fausto engaged in bad behavior regarding Archer Radio -minus the cast members of Eat This Hot Show, of course.

I invite you to have an open mind, and to see this for what it is. Please suspend your ties with people for only a moment, put yourself in the shoes of an amature podcaster with a small audience, and consider the other side of the story.

-----------------------------------------------------
From: feastoffools@gmail.com
Subject: Re: ArcherRadio Assassination Attempt
Date: August 10, 2005 1:30:20 PM EDT
To: chris@clhough.com

Hi there Christopher–

I always enjoy hearing from listeners, and welcome your email
(negative or positive). Please know that all jabs I take are only at
those people I am a fan of. I doubt my comments hurt Archer and his
boyfriend. On the contrary, it probably made some people subscribe and
listen to his show because of it. Not everyone agrees with what I say,
thats whats fun and interesting about doing these shows.

If people hear a sassy comment about a podcaster coming out of my
mouth, it only serves to bring people to listen to their show. I
welcome irreverent, negative comments about my work from other
podcasters, because it helps draw listeners to our show (and to
Archers). I guess I wasnt funny enough? Did I cross the line? It
sounds like from you that I did.

Here's the rule: if you DO know me personally, dont say things that
should be said to me in person in private. If you DONT know me, then
I'm fair game, as much as Pres. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, or Barbara
Streisand are.

This is all an opportunity to grow as individuals and to learn from
each other. Certainly your comments give me pause and reflection. But
I have a right to express my opinion about someone I only know only on
a public level. I have behind the scenes helped Archer design graphics
for his show. I applaud his efforts and love that he puts so much of
his time and money to sharing his personal life for others to witness.
Calling my criticism of his work an "assasination attempt" is a BIT
too much, no?

Don't take anything we say too seriously, its a comedy show, even
thought it might not be too funny sometimes.

I dont know if I've ever said anything at all about Usama's work on
Wanda's show. I've only been on it once. What was it?

If you don't find my response satisfactory, I recommend you to go to
the qpodder forums and voice your concerns, and get feedback from
other podcasting fans/talent/producers.

best of luck to you
your flaming blue pal
Fausto

Submitted by Gayborhood Radio on Fri, 2005-08-12 12:29.

Art is supposed to stir conversation and emotions. This is what has happened here. I am since spoken to Fausto and Marc and resolved this situation. I was more flattered that FOF or ETHS would cover my show then the context on which they covered it. No one ever really said a nice thing about Howard Stern or Lenny Bruce either but they sure did get publicity and became famous.

I reiterate what I said on my most recent podcast: If you can't handle critisizim than this is not the profession/hobby for you. If you are expressing opinions no matter how radical they may seem, you must be ready for others to have different ones than yours.

The fact that FOF and ETHS has got everyone stirring about this is brilliant. No appology is necessary. If we had to appologize every time we offended someone than we could never do a podcast. If you want to be censored go broadcast on an FCC regulated station. If you want to podcast, read the fucking first amendment and stop whining.

Love you all. Now lets go PodCast!

Marshal Click
Gayborhood Radio ---- Feeling good in the "Gayborhood"
www.gayborhoodradio.com

Submitted by Mizez Slocombe on Thu, 2005-08-11 18:12.

No matter what happened, we're steering away from what we're here to do, and taking valuable time from people who take on living their lives while producing a regular podcast. There's tetrabytes of great content to discuss, and we have a comparatively lively discussion about this?

I know Fausto would ever mean any harm, and has been very quick with apologies in the past. I suggest he does that so we can all move on, but I also suggest that offended parties confront any problems with others' content directly with the podcaster(s) before spreading upset among the community.

Finally, the more we keep up this "elite" thing, the more that notion will be perpetuated and reinforced. Does it really help things if we keep that up?

And I Am Unanimous In That! http://mizezslocombe.blogspot.com

Submitted by madge on Thu, 2005-08-11 16:08.

There is no need for infighting. If you want to blame someone for this, blame me. I'm the one the produced and edited that show. As I read on the show, my instructions said to give a positive OR negative review of a queercast. So that means it was my fault. I thought it would be helpful for entire q-munnity to engage in some intelligent critiques of each other. It was my assumption that by putting ourselves out there in the form as a publicly available podcast, we are allowing others to criticism our work. I think it's healthy to do so. I don't know of any successful artist including myself who has never had to suffer humiliating reviews that made him want to forget the whole thing. With this new medium, it may be the case that people are exposing themselves to artistic critique for the first time unknowingly. This can be a dreadful experience.

If anyone knows about having conflicts with Fausto it's me. We had a long period of not speaking recently. I am the first one to tell him if I think he was out of line. However, I do not think he was. I feel that his criticism had an underlying loving spirit to it. At the same time, I do feel that I worded the question wrong. I should have suggested the review could have been either a positive review or constructive criticism. Was Fausto's review constructive? Not really, but it was humorous. Archer advertises his show as being ordinary. Fausto accused his talk about wine of being boring.

I would imagine that Fausto didn't mean this literally, but rather thought it would be a good way to get a laugh and that Archer would find it amusing. I added the laugh tracks myself. The participants had absolutely no control over where their laughs could appear any more than anyone reading this post would. I could have sampled anyone's laugh just as easily.

Anyway, please lighten up everyone. This is supposed to be fun. You can call me elite or whatever but I work my ass off for this shit and you all know that I share the spotlight.

I should also add that Fausto’s review of Archer caused me to re-subscribe to the show after I heard about the naked men.

I am a firm beliver in the phrase, "actions speak louder than words."

When I was sick in the hospital, Fausto and Marc were two of a very small group of friends visit me - every day. They did the same for VMar. In this culture we get very hung up on what comes out of people's mouths, but that is just one form of expression. What is much more important is what people do.

Thoughts and philosophy are nice, but action is what makes things happen.

Submitted by zippersparks on Fri, 2005-08-12 14:18.

Bravo, Madge - for your honesty, insight and taking responsibility in a tough situation.

I absolutely agree with you – there’s no need for infighting. Qpodder has an opportunity to be a positive force, and I applaud those in the community who choose to rise above this and focus on the task at hand: entertaining and informing, while fostering a sense of belonging.

We have two families in life: the one we’re born in to, and the one we actively surround ourselves with because of common interests/desires and goals. It is a good idea to treat your family well, whether they’re of a biological or socio-cultural nature, and your comments are proof of the power (and importance) of these bonds.

Submitted by Tigger on Fri, 2005-08-12 01:06.

A lesbian resubscribes to a podcast for the naked men? I don't know Madge...I am having a tough time figuring this one out...

Tigger from L.A.
http://homepage.mac.com/tigger_g/MyWebsite/

Submitted by madge on Fri, 2005-08-12 06:53.

Sociology.

Submitted by DailyHough on Thu, 2005-08-11 16:54.

Madge, while I respect your ability to share the spotlight (and you have) I believe there's a point missed in this entire event. Asking us to simply "lighten up" does not calm the situation. An apology is in order from Fausto, and on today's podcast I am told that he chose to lash out... again.

It is not entertainment when someone of the magnitude of the players in Eat This Hot Show, with thousand of collective listeners, decide to assassinate another podcast with only 140 listeners of its own. This is not professional radio, and in fact it is just the opposite. This is AMATURE radio at its best, which caters to smaller groups of people, who in turn are part of a larger family of podcasts and podcasters. Each of us bring a personal family with us, and together those families are important –and thank your higher power for that!

Archer Radio is not a comedy show, it is a sincere and classy approach to the finer things in life. It did not deserve to become beaten unmercifully by Fausto. Further, Gayberhood Radio has three shows out and was attacked by Marc. Why would we discourage people from speaking out and starting their own podcast?

If you are willing to accept responsibility for the actions of an unreasonable host of another show, that is your own decision to make. But these comments are not new, and have been addressed on your very own show before.

Fausto is not a member of my community, without making amends for his actions. His response of "Don't take it seriously" only adds more fuel to the fire because he does not intend to accept the responsibility for his actions, and it will likely be his downfall. Perhaps it already has.

Submitted by marcfelion on Fri, 2005-08-12 13:07.

I'm not going to comment on the Archerradio critique. It was a critique. That's what it was. People can listen to it and they can agree with it or not. It's their choice.

I will comment on is your use of Madge Weinstein's Yeastradio interview with the filmmaker Usama Alshaibi and his poor experience with Fausto. I wish I had heard the whole interview with Usama when it was first podcasted on Yeastradio (I did listen to part of it, but Imissed the Fausto reference). I'm sorry for that. I would have very much liked to have continued the discussion of women's role in the
Middle East and corrected any misunderstandings on the part of Usama as to our intent.

I'm glad Usama was able to use us as an example. I don't think he was being mean, I think he was being insightful. i hope his copmments further our understanding.

As a writer for The Feast Of Fools' "A Taste of Milk and Honey," which depicted Fausto falling in love with a radical Muslim who wanted to blow up the world (well kind of), I helped develop the characters and the plot.

During the development of the show, Fausto purchased costumes for the female roles. He came home with Hajibs (sp?) saying "I couldn't get Burkas so these will have to do. We'll have to get scarves that match to make them look more like burkas." Who the hell is going to import burkas from Afghanistan on our budget?

During the writing of the show, which happened right after 9/11 and during the Invasion of Afghanistan, the writers (Fausto Fernos, Marc Felion, and Michael Oliphant) discussed among other things: My Palestinian friend's mother who went, by choice, from miniskirt and western clothing to traditional garb after the Israeli invasion of her
homeland; the donning, by choice, of veil's in Iran by revolutionary women opposed to the corrupt U.S. backed Shah of Iran; and the sensibility of wearing veils by both men and women in an environment where the sun is harsh and brutal. We were not ignorant of the role the veil has in the Middle East.

When we had the women throw off their veils, we meant it more like a "Mary Tyler Moore Moment" than anything else. At the begining of the Mary Tyler Moore Show she throws her hat into the air as the singer sings "You're going to make it after all." It was, to us, a statement of personal liberation. Perhaps Usama and the rest of the Middle East should familiarize themselves with American TV. culture so they can
get the reference before they get their panties in a grind. Naw forget it, they are better off without TV. TV sucks! Was Usama offended by it? I don't know. Would members of his family be offended? Most Likely. Would Usama's family be likely members of the audience? I don't think so. Did we know this show would be offensive? Of course, it's The Feast of Fools.

I do know that Usama approached Fausto about his concern right after the show. Perhaps Fausto did not give Usama his full attention. But, please understand, it is very difficult putting on a live show. We are up for days with little sleep and the aftermath is quite overwhelming. The cleanup, the money, the pictures, the interchange with people,
dealing with the cast ...etc. It's a lot of work. Any of you who do live theater know what I am talking about. I'm guessing that it's easier for a filmmaker to discuss his/her work after a showing of his/her work because the adrenalin rush just isn't the same. They are often separated by weeks or months from the actual work that is produced. This gives them an analytical edge that a live performer does not have, especially when it is only one show, like The Feast Of Fools.

Lastly, I want to say that it is comedy and that it is not to be taken seriously. I mean after all, one of our central characters was a genie that was turned into a leprechaun by a re-animated greedy hillbilly drag diva. The genie ended up going to Baghdad to open up a gay bar! That's the kind of stuff we like to do. And we will continue doing it.
We will keep you informed of our next live show, which will probably be our Faerie Merrie XXX-MAS show.

Submitted by smindeaux2k6 on Thu, 2005-08-11 16:21.

Madge,

I wanted to take time to say thank you for taking the time to respond. I know things got a little heated out there and my only intention in putting out that letter was to inform and to give some perspective that it is ok to have an opinion and that we need to move on.

I listened to the show again and I have to say that afterwards, yes...I can see how it was meant in jest...but if it was meant to be funny...i think more levity on Marc and Fausto's part would have been appreciated.

I think you and the "founders" have done a great thing here and I'm so glad to be a part of it.

Again, thank you for taking the time to do this.
-scott
scottmindeaux.com

Submitted by Daviey on Thu, 2005-08-11 23:04.

After suffering through that segment three times to make sure, I can't say it sounded in jest to me. There is no reason to overthink this. If Fausto meant to be demeaning and hurtful, then that's just sad. If he was just being a smart ass because that is his character or schtick on the show (I don't listen to it so I don't know), then it obviously backfired and Archerr got hurt. If the latter, an apology would be a nice thing - that's what we do when we unintentionally hurt someone, or even intentionally do so and think better of it later. Let's hope he does.

Archerr has a cool show that probably reflects what 99% of our lives are like - fairly ordinary. If life is a pride parade for you, then you are pretty much the exception ;-)

David

Submitted by mikeypod on Fri, 2005-08-12 09:17.

"If the latter, an apology would be a nice thing - that's what we do when we unintentionally hurt someone, or even intentionally do so and think better of it later."

Well written. Basics of human interaction, if you ask me.

Submitted by smindeaux2k6 on Thu, 2005-08-11 11:26.

There shouldn't be any calls for action or castcotts (boycott). Some of us feel more charged about this than others. Just as we are all free to give our opinion. Tigger and Nathan are right...we all have opinions. However, how we choose to voice those opinions is the point I was trying to make.

We have all listened to Feast of Fools and it's their style of presentation. Fausto and Marc have had some brilliant content and some content I could care less to listen to. And when that is the case...I fast forward. Its not a bad mark against them, I'm sure people do it to my show when I start talking about my looney family. It's the freedom of choice, its my way of expressing that I have a choice to listen or not listen.

Archer did an amazing job holding himself together and not attacking Fausto directly. And we should follow that lead... Fausto is who he is and there are times where he get's a little energized and that's fine.

Most of you understand the situation and will all take your own steps to dealing with this. I neither advocate or support any one action to take. We all do what we have to, to make it through this. Voice out if you need to or stay silent. Either way...do it poignently.

Submitted by mikeypod on Thu, 2005-08-11 08:54.

Very well written, Scott.

After reading this today I went back and resubscribed to Eat This Hot Show, so I could see what all the fuss was about. I heard what Fausto had to say, and while I do agree that it is within his right to say whatever he likes, I found it disappointing (though, not suprising) that he chose to voice his opinion in such a mean spirited and cruel way.

However, just as I have come to expect Fausto to behave in such a manner, I have also come to expect unending help and support from the qPodder community in general. You have given me tons of help with getting my feed straightened out, John Ong is generously helping me with graphics for my show, Madge has given me tech support and so much encouragement to get podcasting. Then there is Wanda whose positive spirit radiates throughout this community.

That's what I mean when I say that nothing has changed. Fausto's schtick is to be abrasive and cruel, and it works for him and his audience. Part of what goes along with that style is that people are inevitably going to be hurt, or pissed off by the things he says. The result for me is that I re-unsubscribed to Eat This Hot Show after listening to the first few minutes of it. Then, I listened to Archer's response and was so impressed with the dignity, restraint and respect with which he responded to Fausto that I added him to my list of subscriptions at once.

I hope that as I learn more about podcasting, I am able to give back to this community what has been so freely given to me.

Thanks for everything guys,
Mikey

Submitted by DailyHough on Thu, 2005-08-11 06:44.

First, I am very happy to know that I am not the only one that feels this way. I sent a letter to Fausto yesterday, and his response was "I can say whatever I want." While he's right, he can, ...we can also join together to discourage it from happening again.

Negativity and elitism are on-going problems with this person, and I've outlined it in a special podcast in my programming (without comment of my own) on The Daily Hough. Listen to the rant from Fausto, then listen to Archerr respond questioning why such a thing would happen to him, then listen to filmmaker Usama Alshaibi remind us of his poor experience with Fausto. It doesn't need my words because it's alarming on its own. If it’s not enough, listen to LuckyBitchRadio (#92) to hear the King of Fools rant over a Chinese dinner.

We have a community like QPodder to come together for support and to better our craft by learning from each other. To be attacked by an elitist member of our own community is downright treasonous. His actions are not just against Archer Radio, but are felt by all of us because it could have happened to any of us. He was given the opportunity to help someone, and chose to hurt us all instead. He felt that “assassination

Submitted by Tigger on Thu, 2005-08-11 05:07.

People are entitled to their own opinion, whether it is good or bad in others eyes. Although I strongly disagree with Fausto's comments about Archer Radio, he is entitled to his opinion and should be allowed to express it. That is what podcasting is all about, the ability to express ones ideas, thoughts and opinions freely and openly without censor or fear of it. It might not always be done in the best of taste, and sometimes people can get their feelings hurt along the way, but the freedom to truely express ourselves is the grease that oils this machine. It is hard to defend freedom of speech in a case like this, but is'nt it better than the alternative?

What I thought was most odd and inconsistent about that particular segment of ETHS was the following:

The "Archerr Question" was the only topic question in which there could be positive or negative response. Other questions were set up to elicit a positive or negative comment from the begining (ie. Name a positive..., Name a negative..., etc). When Fausto started the segment, he essentially gave a negative review, only from then on, for you (the listener) to hear other fellow ETHS members give very positive reviews of other shows. It only made the Archer Radio (negative) review stick out that much more in the end. Balanced questioning and/or editing seemed to be lacking at this point. Also, some better fact checking with regards to reporting about others shows needs to be addressed.

Submitted by Tigger on Thu, 2005-08-11 05:07.
Submitted by Nathan on Thu, 2005-08-11 05:41.

I didn't hear the podcast but a good rule of thumb for me is - if you hate something voice it - but be constructive. If you can't, then keep it to yourself.

But as key players in the qPodder community I would hope that this isn't true, since comments made by any one of "the four pillars of qpodder" could tarnish an individuals reputation severely. Last, I checked this isn't the mission of qPodder, nor that of Eat This Hot Show - is it?

As we all gain notariety, please be aware that your personal comments are now public - so please think before you speak - your actions can be very damaging to others less fortunate.

Submitted by Tigger on Thu, 2005-08-11 05:49.

Nathan, you are so correct. Negative comments made by the "podcasting elite" could tarnish another smaller podcasters show severely if a large amount of listeners hear it. You bring up a very good point here about respect and responsibility of those who have seen great success from good word of mouth.

Tigger from L.A.
http://homepage.mac.com/tigger_g/MyWebsite/